JB SamSon | Episode #164

JB SamSon: Why Authentic Music Matters More Than Clout

THG sits down with Columbia-based artist JB SamSon to talk authenticity, faith, family, and the grind of building an independent music brand rooted in positivity. JB SamSon is a rapper, singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, and Freethinkers Radio personality whose sound blends R&B, hip-hop, rock, and gospel. From home studio creation to launching BttrFly Effect Apparel, this episode dives into creativity, city culture, AI’s limits, and the real cost of staying true as an artist. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation.

Chapters

• 3:30 Meet JB SamSon
• 8:15 Morning Chaos And Car Trouble
• 13:05 Growing Up Military And Moving
• 19:45 Columbia’s Culture And City Priorities
• 29:25 Authenticity As A Creative Standard
• 38:05 Faith, Family, And Responsibility
• 46:55 Pivoting Through Life Changes
• 53:05 Building Butterfly Effect Apparel

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 1:45

Today we have the pleasure of speaking with the talented JB Sampson. As a multifaceted artist from Columbia, South Carolina, JB Sampson is a rapper, singer, songwriter, drummer, and guitarist. In addition to his musical talents, he is a radio personality for FreeThers Radio. You can find his music on all major streaming platforms such as Spotify, Apple Music, and iHeartRadio. I was gonna say iTunes, sound kind of weird to say Apple Music and iTunes at the same time, but same thing, yeah. JB Sampson also has a merchandise line, Butterfly Effect Peril, which is a brand dedicated to spreading messages of positivity and love. This initiative aims to spark conversations that inspire people to be more thoughtful towards themselves and those around them. From his home studio, JB Sampson writes, produces, and performs radio ready songs. His versatility as an indie artist shines through his exploration of genres including RB, rock, hip hop, and gospel. His project, Thoughts in Between, reveals his faith-based values and his dedication as a family man. JB Sampson is undeniably one of music's best kept secrets and a well-rounded individual. Stay tuned as we dive deeper into the heart, mind, and musical soul of JB Sampson. How you doing today?

SPEAKER_00: 3:10

What's up, fellas?

SPEAKER_02: 3:11

Yay!

SPEAKER_01: 3:12

Finally, finally, finally, finally.

SPEAKER_02: 3:15

I was about to say, right? Finally.

SPEAKER_01: 3:18

We have finally made it together. How you how was your day going thus far?

SPEAKER_03: 3:21

Good, man. It was nice. Woke up, chilled out, took a walk around the neighborhood. There we go. Awesome. Made some some French toast and some eggs and bacon. Yeah, French toast today? Delicious. Yeah, it was delicious. Y'all I'm hungry. It was I was mad too because I forgot, like, I like to put uh whatchamacallit the vanilla extract in it. Oh and I didn't realize that that was like it's optional.

SPEAKER_04: 3:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 3:45

I for me it was always a must. And I didn't realize that we were out of it. So I was like, well, shoot, I'm gonna just we already here. I haven't started. Yeah. And it turned out better than I expected to without the vanilla extract. So we good.

SPEAKER_02: 3:56

There we go.

SPEAKER_00: 3:56

That's what I'm talking about. You had a good breakfast start today. How you feeling? Man, you know what? Stays are very interesting. Uh it's it's like a lot of negative things have happened today, but hindsight being like hindsight looking toward very blessed.

SPEAKER_01: 4:11

Yeah. Always I'm here bothering people. I'm happy to bother people.

SPEAKER_00: 4:15

I'm here bothering people.

SPEAKER_01: 4:16

Yeah, I tell people if I can get up and I can bother somebody, yeah, God's doing his job. I'm good. Good.

SPEAKER_03: 4:21

I love that.

SPEAKER_01: 4:22

Yeah, because I got up today. I was fighting my my vehicle. My vehicle went uh used its computer sensors today to decide that I was not gonna drive.

SPEAKER_03: 4:28

Oh man, would you get on one of those cyber trucks?

SPEAKER_01: 4:30

Oh no, no, no. I don't want a cyber truck now. I definitely don't want one now. It was just an electronic parking break.

SPEAKER_03: 4:37

Imagine that. That crap. Yeah. I freaking I have a 2021 Volkswagen Tiguan, and I thought I about took the computer out. Yeah. Why won't it move? I was that close. Apparently, like it's mine has like the it's like a small little, you know, like the window lever. Yeah. It's like that for the parking brake. Like that you can do it. It's like that. And I didn't realize that it was there where it was. And it's got like a slight, like a real small little light sensor on it that tells you when it's activated. But like it's so small, I didn't even see it. So I'm trying to figure out what is the problem? Why won't the car move? And then I finally see it, and I'm like, oh, this is stupid. Whose idea was it to put that there? It's like right there next to the freaking gear shift and then like the cup holder. So which is horrible.

SPEAKER_01: 5:29

Don't spill liquid. Just for the audience. Don't spill liquid on your console, specifically if you have an electronic parking brake, because it will then set it into dysfunction. And it will lock and it will stay locked and it will unlock itself when it wants to lock, and then you'll have an issue driving your car off.

SPEAKER_03: 5:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:52

That's not fun.

SPEAKER_03: 5:53

And then you're gonna feel like somebody tried to take you up when you almost died in it.

SPEAKER_01: 5:57

Exactly, exactly. So, yeah, that's what I had to deal with today. But other than that, man, it's been beautiful. It's been beautiful. I can't um complain. We got nice fall weather today. The coolness has started settling in, which is fine though. I enjoy it because we get to wear clothes and look nice and fashionable. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 6:14

Yeah, it's supposed to be cold. It's almost December. It needs to be cold. I'm tired of not being able to wear like a little bit.

SPEAKER_01: 6:19

Yeah. Come on, come on. Yeah, get it in. So to start off, as we always start off, and you already know this question because you've you've seen our podcast before. Do I? But yeah, yeah, you're supposed to know this already. So um, we're gonna ask you a little bit, just if you could tell our audience about your early beginnings, how was it growing up? Do you have any siblings and what influenced you?

SPEAKER_03: 6:39

Well, when I was four, no, um I uh I'm from West Columbia, South Carolina. Um, I grew up sort of all over the place though. We moved around a lot. I come from military family, so I've been I was what branch? What branch? Um my pops he was in the Navy for like twenty-five years or something like that. Uh-oh, he held the tire. Um yeah, and then uh my stepdad was also in the Navy for about the same amount of time. Wow. So yeah, my parents split when I was like four, freaking went back and forth between here and Virginia till I was about seven, moved to Japan when I was eight. Wow. Came back here. So it's a lot of bouncing around. Stayed with my dad in Texas for a little bit. We lived in Maryland for a couple of years. Um, yeah, a lot of a lot of moving around. Yeah. And then settled back down here in 2008. Okay. And I've been here ever since and been dying to leave.

SPEAKER_02: 7:31

Oh well, you've been moving like you get used to going places.

SPEAKER_03: 7:35

Yeah, I I think I just I was, you know how like my kids are always like, where are we going today? Yeah or what are we doing tomorrow? You know, like it's always like they expect something, that sort of thing. I think it's that sort of thing, but like on steroids almost, if you grow up moving around a lot. Yeah. It's just like, well, I'm used to not being here for that long too long. What's the next, you know, destination? And for this to be for Columbia to be a capital city, this is the most uncapital city. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing in Colombia?

SPEAKER_01: 8:08

Good points.

SPEAKER_03: 8:09

Like, what are you doing? I'm not saying there's nothing to do in Colombia because I know freaking Naj will be on my head about it. Yeah, that just in terms of things that make you think, oh, this is a grand place. Yeah, yeah. You know, this is why it's the capital city. I don't really know what that's it's crazy because that's like the tagline for the city.

SPEAKER_01: 8:26

Which is the place to be. But the funny thing about it's not practically hot.

SPEAKER_03: 8:29

No, no, no. The funny thing about it is this though, is like if you're really honest about it, the draw is college football.

SPEAKER_00: 8:38

Yeah, because that's all people care about right here. That's it. It's true, yeah. Especially this season.

SPEAKER_03: 8:43

I think that's I think that's why I've I've struggled here because I don't care.

SPEAKER_01: 8:48

You don't care about college football.

SPEAKER_03: 8:50

Especially college football. Yeah. Like I'll watch it if like you know, I don't I have to.

SPEAKER_01: 8:55

There's a group, they're like, hey, you're coming together, you're gonna watch this game.

SPEAKER_03: 8:59

If everybody else in the room was watching college football, it's like, I guess we're watching UFC.

SPEAKER_00: 9:03

Okay, cool. You know what? I'll say this, I'm gonna add this, and I'm gonna get your take on this. I think the problem is, and I know we've talked about this a lot, and then even um the rest like the rest of the crew talked about this. It seems like Columbia tends to, because college football is such a big deal, and I like college sports, I like college football. But because college football is like the only ticket in town, it seemed like that's had a negative impact on the culture as a whole.

SPEAKER_03: 9:31

So Yeah, and I I I don't want it to seem like I just like I hate Columbia. Because I don't. Like there's so many beautiful spaces in Columbia that I'm grateful to like have been, you know, made that I'm grateful that have been made known to me in the last few years. Um not that I've really like sort of gotten out more. Um, but it's just I do think that because that's such a big focus, it does take away from some of the other things that make Columbia or should make Columbia great.

SPEAKER_01: 10:03

That would make any city great. Exactly. Yeah, because it it takes um you're talking about finances, resources, I'm just gonna say this in general, resources. It takes resources that could go other places and it funnels them into a very specific and niche market, and that causes an issue specifically if you're trying to develop a city. And I think it's very interesting because we were talking about this on our way out of town and back in town yesterday. I was even thinking about this coming back in. But the one thing I think is important for any city that you have is to make sure you're trying to, first of all, you gotta beautify it. It needs beautification because that's how you bring people into the city. You need the attraction, you have to come on, and then you also have to have good marketing about what the city offers outside of very niche market activities. And last thing I'll say about what you need to make a city great. It's gonna sound crazy. Y'all gonna like this. Watch this, you ready? Any of the parents listen, this we're gonna like public restrooms.

SPEAKER_03: 11:09

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_01: 11:10

When I look you heard that because I know this is real public restrooms that are safe, clean, and accessible.

SPEAKER_03: 11:17

You know how I'm so over public rest. I I hate using a public restroom. I know you think the only good public restroom is a Bucky's. Oh and Bucky's is anxiety-inducing if you are not accustomed to the high volume of people that are in a bucky's.

SPEAKER_02: 11:35

There's too many people standing up next each bathroom.

SPEAKER_03: 11:38

They have like 150 stalls plus journals. Like, they have 150 plus stalls in each like men's and women's bathroom. And there's still a line of like a big thing.

SPEAKER_00: 11:48

How is there still a line? You know what's crazy about this?

SPEAKER_02: 11:52

I'm not nothing to do with what we're supposed to be talking about today, but why?

SPEAKER_00: 11:55

Yes, why? All right. So many of you guys who know me know um I'm a girl dad. Yeah. I have a five-year-old. And you know your girl dad, too. Your girl dad slash boy dad. Yeah, right? Yep. And so our kids are the same age. One of the things that you realize as a parent is uh you there's you had a certain age where you stop going with your child to the restaurant, but you know, around this age, especially with uh age of our kids, that's still that rate range where you go with your kids. Exactly, exactly. When it comes to Buckies, you do I'm not bringing my daughter in. Nah, I don't blame it.

SPEAKER_03: 12:28

It's not just too much. It's just too much.

SPEAKER_00: 12:31

Nah. It's not just one year old, and I can just kind of shield away. It's too much.

SPEAKER_03: 12:36

It's a whole lot, like, because they have like the little partitions in between the urinals, ain't that? No, they aren't. They aren't partitions. Partitions aren't even like there's real there's nothing there. Nah, there's nothing there.

SPEAKER_02: 12:47

They're cattle corrals. You just get the people in their pants and turn them back around.

SPEAKER_03: 12:51

I'm about to say the separation is you turning your back to the other guy. That's really what it is. That's what it is. So that's that's a fair point. Yeah, that's a very fair point. Public restrooms, especially because kids love to go in them for no good reason. They're there. They're like, oh, I gotta go pie. You literally just went two minutes ago. You just want to go because you're intrigued for whatever reason by the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01: 13:13

Yep. Yes, I can't stand it. But the better they are in the city that you're in, the better. And I've seen this, and I I thought it was a joke, but I've seen this in two cities. You can talk about Greenville. Greenville and Charlottesville.

SPEAKER_03: 13:24

Greenville's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01: 13:25

And Charlottesville. I I thought this was a joke, but it allows for more family interaction. So like people come out because they're like, hey, I can come out. If I have to use the restroom, I don't have to go on a place and purchase something in order to use the restroom. I can just go. So overhead. And I was like, yeah, overhead, overhead to use the bathroom. So like get charged, use the bathroom, right? So I thought that was important. So resources, obviously, beautification and public restrooms. And I think those are things that Columbia needs to work on. Um and I know the current mayor, especially them being um in food previously in food and bev, they should understand that immensely because you eat with your eyes first. So before anybody's gonna come in and want to be a part of the center, you gotta make it, you gotta do those things.

SPEAKER_03: 14:11

That's why McDonald's shows red and yellow.

SPEAKER_01: 14:13

Preach. They're gonna drag you in.

SPEAKER_03: 14:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 14:16

Even if that food is not real food.

SPEAKER_03: 14:17

Yep. That's why we haven't eaten there in like a year or so.

SPEAKER_01: 14:20

Yeah. Mm-hmm. There's certain things, there's only one thing I'll eat from McDonald's.

SPEAKER_03: 14:26

Is it the McRib?

SPEAKER_01: 14:27

Nope. Okay. How about it? I better not say I better not. It'll just be the fish fillet sandwich. I don't have something wrong with me. That fish sandwich still calls my name. Really, the fish fillet? It's the most plain, sad thing there. That's not the f it's a real fish. It's not even real fish. It's not even real fish. No, they didn't make the fish, they take fish bits and make a fish block.

SPEAKER_03: 14:45

It's more man-made than floppy. Yeah, well, I thought it was at least the fish thing.

SPEAKER_01: 14:49

No, so what they do is they go get the fish, right? Because this is the funny thing. And I'll, this is whole there's a whole book on this, what what makes the world go around? Money makes the world go around. It's a book. Y'all go pick it up, read it. It actually talks about this thing with fish and how it moves. And um, my wife also um educated me on this fish thing and how it moves, and it made so much sense. I get it. But fish is interesting because the way it's processed is it doesn't matter where they catch the fish, if it's coming to the United States, it goes to China first. So I can catch fish. Oh, this is crazy. Blow your mind. Ready? So I can catch fish um off the coast of Maine. That fish, unless it's a local fish monger, is gonna get processed on a ship, right? Sent to China, and then sent back. It's cheaper.

unknown: 15:27

What?

SPEAKER_01: 15:28

It's cheaper. So all the fish in McDonald's goes first, it gets broken up, et cetera, goes to China. They make the little patty, block it up, etc. And then they send it back to America and it's cheaper. If they did it in America or on American, it'd be more expensive. So to keep the product, the product, it's crazy, they didn't keep the price low. That's what they do. So obviously, if you get some fish, make sure you go to your local seafood um pro uh proprietor, make sure you talk to them, make sure you do business with them. Don't buy that fish coming off them boats. It's not what you want. Yes, isn't that crazy? So what are you doing? Hey, man. So with that word.

SPEAKER_00: 16:04

So with that said, of course, there's no spirit involved in that process whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01: 16:08

Not at all.

SPEAKER_00: 16:08

Right. However, JB, when it comes to your music, I know you're someone, you know, you embody the essence of a conscious artist.

SPEAKER_04: 16:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 16:18

Right? So, um, how do you maintain that authenticity in your music creation process?

SPEAKER_03: 16:23

Essence of a conscious artist.

SPEAKER_00: 16:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 16:26

That sounds deep.

SPEAKER_00: 16:28

You gotta that's Tamia. Yeah, yeah. We just asked. Thank you, Tomia.

SPEAKER_03: 16:33

Thank you. Made me sound good. Um honestly, it's just life. Like, I don't I I would like to get to a point where I can like be more of a I think it would be cool to at some point get to a point where I could be like a uh more fictitious or more imagined storyteller musically. But as of now and since I started, the only thing that I've known how to really like write about is like my life my own life experience. Um I haven't really found myself in a position where I'm anytime I've tried to write something that you know wasn't actually the truth, I don't think it's ever come out. You know, yeah. Um it's like I don't even think it got anywhere near finished. It just you know, it just doesn't feel right. It feels much better to just be for me, music is therapeutic, you know, like it's it's been uh because I can't afford therapy. So it's it's one of them things where it's just like it's just been far more advantageous for me mentally and emotionally and spiritually to be like, hey, this is how I felt about this. Yeah, you know, and then like, hey, that sounds good over this beat, yeah, you know, and be like, all right, there's that. Because I'd much rather just be honest and somebody be like, hey, I ain't like it. As opposed to, you know, like, oh, I'm gonna talk about how amazing I am and you know, yeah, all these things that I have that I don't really have. And someone be like, Man, this is whack, you know, or even for them to be like, oh, this is lit. Because now I gotta live up to the same expectations that a lot of these sign artists have to live up to. Yes. Like, do you know how funny it was like growing up, like watching MTV cribs and then like finding out a decade later, oh yeah, by the way, like 98% of them people did not own or even rent those houses.

SPEAKER_01: 18:32

No, they were placed in the house.

SPEAKER_03: 18:35

Like and what killed me was I think uh there was an episode of Punked back when Ash and Kutcher was still hosting that, where they like they got a little bow wow. And I think they what did they do? I I think it was supposed to be like a uh a music video shoot or uh like MTV crib sort of situation. And toward the end of whatever it was that he thought he was shooting, uh they were punking him by having like this person be like, Oh, hey, by the way, there's a necklace missing. And that's when I found out, oh wait, what? And basically it was like there was a host of jewelry and other things and assorted items that they had given him for this, you know, video shoot or whatever it was that did not belong to him at all, whatsoever. And this one chain went missing, and it was like, I don't know, I think it was like 25, somewhere between 25 and 100,000. It was something stupid expensive. And I was just like, What? Wait a minute, none of that's his? Yeah, but I thought he was rich, whatever. You know?

SPEAKER_00: 19:42

They peeled it back slightly, right?

SPEAKER_03: 19:43

Yeah, it was the weirdest, and then of course, like, and that I was like a teenager or something when I saw that. And then, like, fast forward as an adult, you find out, like, yeah, none of that, none of that's real. A lot of these artists are just like flexing. It's like, you ever seen like how people like take a picture and post it of them like standing next to this real nice car? Yeah, and then it turns out.

SPEAKER_01: 20:03

You ready? I did that, I did that two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_00: 20:06

Somebody's like this man silly. Bro, you know what's so wild about that, especially with Bow Wow doing that? You know, Bow Wow a couple years ago, he got clowned. Stop. You know what I'm talking about, right? Are you talking about the thing where you see the plane picture?

SPEAKER_03: 20:21

Talking about where he was like, yo, they don't know it's me. Yeah, so cringy and corny. I'm like, bro, you were famous. All right.

SPEAKER_01: 20:30

That's the point.

SPEAKER_03: 20:31

Like, at the the height of your fame at this point, is hosting 106 in Park and being on like a hip hop or whatever other things.

SPEAKER_01: 20:37

Yeah, I don't think his form career is based off of what's the first one. No, he is Mr. 106 in Park. That's who he is. That's true. Yeah, he's had the most number one songs on one of the city.

SPEAKER_03: 20:45

It sucks because, like, I mean, in a way, he got very blessed. Yeah, he did. I mean, like, he got pulled up on stage by Snoop when he was like four. Yeah. He got signed when he was like 10 or 11.

SPEAKER_01: 20:55

That does not normally happen unless you're Michael Jackson. I right. That's my point. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03: 20:59

Like him and Lil' Romeo like had a very, very interesting situation. Romeo's was a little bit more uh, what's the word? Uh nepotistic. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was definitely more nepotism, but like it was still a blessing. Bow Wow's situation was more organic, but still, it was like, oh wow, look at you. You you you know, you seem like you got a little something, something. Give you a chance. And I I wanted to be Bow Wow so bad when I was a kid, man. I remember seeing the episode with Steve Harper. I was like, Man, this dude's like 12, and he's out here like stunting on people like this.

SPEAKER_02: 21:33

This is crazy. He gets to do what he wanted to do. I said, Man, he gets to have brains in his hair. I was like, Yeah, how do you let him do this? He's only 12 years old. Right? You know, I ain't gonna lie, I thought it was cool. I got still like my battle.

SPEAKER_03: 21:45

Immediately.

SPEAKER_01: 21:46

Preach.

SPEAKER_03: 21:46

I got cornrows immediately.

SPEAKER_01: 21:51

I thought they were cool.

SPEAKER_03: 21:52

Oh, AI was the man.

SPEAKER_01: 21:53

Yeah, he's too.

SPEAKER_03: 21:54

I had a pair of AIs. Uh one of like the first pair uh uh shoes that he did. I don't know what happened to him, lost them. But I had them joints and I loved them. I had me, I think I had two Sixers jerseys.

SPEAKER_01: 22:07

Man, see them point look at time. And I I will say it's cool just talking about um authenticity in your music and what you're conveying. I think one of the reasons why we love, why people love Alan Iverson so much is because he was always very authentic.

SPEAKER_03: 22:22

Oh, he always kept it real.

SPEAKER_01: 22:23

He always kept it real. Chuck is Chuck, as they like to call it. Like he Bubba Chuck is Bubba Chuck. He's gonna be who he is, and it was really cool because it didn't matter how much money or et cetera, or fame that he received, he always stayed who he was. And I think it's very important for music. And I think what you were saying about making sure that your music is a reflection of yourself is important because you don't want to have to live up to lofty or false expectations. Nor do you want to sell those because people follow you.

SPEAKER_03: 22:53

And that's the I think that's the biggest thing for me. At at a certain point, I and I feel like my understanding of it is much greater now. Um, but even before just the last, you know, the past year of life really just like opening my eyes more and more to it. Like we when I first started making music, there was something something, something inside me that like innately understood like there's a responsibility here, I guess. And it's like, and no, it's not the responsibility of like telling you who to vote for and all that kind of whatever. Like, listen, that's cool. And I'm not saying that like you shouldn't use your platform for that. I do think people need to chill on both sides of the fence in terms of being like, oh, you have a platform. You need to tell people to vote for this, or oh, you have a platform. We don't want to hear your you know political ideals. So like just shut up and dribble, sort of thing. Both of those, I think both of those are wrong. Yeah. Like in a way. I think that there's supposed to be some sort of middle ground where you're a human being, and if you feel so inclined and are educated, oh my gosh, say that qualifier. Maybe you know, if you're if you're if you're qualified or educated in some way, like and you have a perspective, feel free to share it. Yeah, you know, but like don't go forcing something that you don't know about down somebody's throat. Yeah. But there's I do think there's a responsibility as an artist to bring at least a certain level of authenticity if you know that like people are going to like in some capacity at the very least listen to what you have to say.

SPEAKER_04: 24:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 24:30

Even if you only have like two people that like really hang on to your every word. Like, that's at the end of the day, whether you realize it or not, people's like not only lives, but like soldier at stake. Yeah. So it's like that that's sort of what I understood without even fully understanding it very early. Just like I can't tell people one thing, you know, and then like be another. Yeah. And I think that's only that that voice has only grown louder the longer I've been in this just to understand of like, oh, like, yeah, I have to be what it is that I actually am. And I have to actually be who it is that I say I am.

SPEAKER_01: 25:12

Did that change with you having children? Was it different before?

SPEAKER_03: 25:17

It I think it compounded for sure. Um, I think uh there was I think initially it was just like, oh, I like making music and it feels good to do. It's you know, it helps me process or whatever. And just like I just I want to be a star. You know, like initially, like I want to be famous like everybody else, you know. Um, and then I think once it was uh really like once me and my wife got married, it was like I remember seeing the interview that Toby Nui Gwe did, and I feel like the way he explained it is the to this day is the most potent way I've heard it explained because it's so simple and yet so powerful. He was like when he and his wife first got married, he said, I felt a very heavy presence of stop playing with me. Right? And then he said, and then when we had our first child, I felt again a very heavy presence of stop playing with me. And I felt that same feeling when we got married, and we had Zoe, and then we had Dominic. And so it's just like it's only, and I feel like it's only again, it's only compounded uh just as the years have gone by. It's just the the a greater understanding of like, oh, I can't be playing. Nah. Like this ain't this this ain't a game. Like it it looks cute.

SPEAKER_04: 26:34

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03: 26:35

And I think you know how there's a there's a whole like sect of like men in the world that like become family men purely for the aesthetic? Like they treat their wives and children like trash, but they become family, like men and women, they become like families simply like for the sake of aesthetic. Yeah. And like they hate their kids.

SPEAKER_01: 26:52

Yep. They don't, they don't know. They aren't a part of their lives, they don't raise the children.

SPEAKER_03: 26:57

I'm like, how is that even like as someone who may not have necessarily been the like there was a point in time where like integrity and accountability were not my strong suits, right? That like there was a point in time where just it wasn't like if I could get away with trouble, because for the most part, I stayed out of trouble. Good. But if I knew I was about to get in trouble, I'm like, I don't know if I can own up to this yet.

SPEAKER_04: 27:21

You know?

SPEAKER_03: 27:21

Um, and then at a certain point I realized, like, oh, that's like that's kind of hous. I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02: 27:26

Yep. Um, I like how you say that because yeah, you're a human.

SPEAKER_03: 27:29

You know, like as a human, you're gonna make mistakes. Yeah, you're gonna air. You're better off making those mistakes and admitting to them than you are running and hiding from them. And I learned a very, several very hard lessons about that, uh, even as an adult, you know. Um, but it's just like the I feel like there's an understanding of like not only is my life and my soul at stake, but now my wife's soul, preach, my daughter, my son, like their souls are all like at stake based on what I show them and how I lead them. Yeah, you know, and so I think that that is especially as someone who if you're someone who has some sort of platform or following, like it still applies. Yeah, whether you realize it or not. So but uh that that's that depends on where you lie spiritually. I'll say that. Um it still applies, but I mean some people just don't know. Some people just don't care. That's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_01: 28:25

I was about to say, yeah, they'll ignore it. Um now, obviously that's gonna affect the messages in your music. Yeah. It's gonna affect the way in which you um attempt to communicate with people, even as a as a radio personality uh on your radio show, it's gonna affect how you communicate, right?

SPEAKER_03: 28:39

Shout out to Free Thinkers Radio. I don't uh man, it's been a long time. It's been a hot minute since we I don't remember the man, that was a while ago. But like all the people involved with Freethinkers Radio are like solid people. Yeah, like solid people. Shout out to Dave Pendergrass, Jay Will, Jerry and Wilson, um, freaking Ice, AZ, there's so many, so many dope people. Ebony, shout out to Ebony, a lot of people involved in that, really cool people. Awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 29:10

Now, thinking about transformation, and I think this is interesting because I know you're talking about the change and that transformation of you understanding the importance of your actions and outcome on your family and your children, and even with other people with how you uh create music and et cetera. Um now in the current circumstances that we're dealing with, just in the world, I mean, because we are people that live in a society. Um, could you explain like why it's crucial to be able to to pivot and make necessary changes to alter future outcomes?

SPEAKER_03: 29:46

Um I mean, off top for survival, right? That's that's what all of it boils down to a lot of the times. Like survival, like when we got married, we were very much fully prepared to be like, yo, we're about to spend the next year just like getting lit, enjoying ourselves as a married couple, we're gonna travel, we're gonna do this and that. And then like three months later, we found out she was pregnant. It's like lit. That was that was not supposed to happen whatsoever. Yeah, and like I tell people all the time, and I I say this proudly in the sense of like God changes anybody anytime. I was there was a point in time where being married and having kids, I wanted nothing to do with it. I'd seen both go wrong so many times. It's kind of I've seen so many people who are just like terrible to their spouses. Like I like what you're talking about. Like I come I come from a divorced home. A lot of my friends come from broken homes, you know what I'm saying? Like I've seen a lot of people go through it. I've seen a lot of people who just like didn't have good relationships with their parents because their parents weren't good parents, and of course, like a lot of that transpires due to them not having good parenting done, you know, that sort of thing. Um, but like there was a point in time where I just wanted to know parts, and then I met my wife, and it was like, well, maybe this isn't such a bad idea, and then like found out we were having a child, and it's like, well, it's too late now because I don't necessarily believe in killing people, you know, um like unless it's absolutely necessary. Yeah, you know, like something like that. I like how you said that, JB. Like, like yeah, it's just you know, yeah, that's that's a whole other, but I think just understanding, like, once we found out, like, oh, we're about to have a child, I was, you know, initially it's like terror kind of set. I was wondering, yeah. But at the same time, like, there's not a whole lot of time, if depending on the type of person you are, to be like, oh, I'm just gonna sit in my fear. It's like, well, we gotta figure this the frick out. Yeah, yeah, you gotta do something. It's coming whether. So at a certain point you realize, okay, let me like take this heel and do this number, you know, and like let's go this direction, because this seems like it might be the best way to go and hope for the best, you know. Um, and especially like as like someone who believes in God, like I have to place a substantial amount of my hope and my faith in him to like carry us to wherever we need to go and hope that the direction that I chose was that was the direction that he wanted me to go in. You know? Yeah. So I think it's yeah, but pivoting is very important. Um, like I said, uh survival, self-preservation, that sort of thing, but also just for the sake of like you never know what sort of opportunities might come. I think if you're afraid to take chances, then you might just you know fear yourself right out of an opportunity. You know, it's always, I mean, like the amount of the amount of times that you miss out on something because you were too afraid to try, yeah, like it happens like all the time. You know, like I'd imagine in your career? Uh like not too much in my career, just because like I haven't had like an insane amount of opportunities. Like I've had opportunities, but nothing that's been like extremely groundbreaking. Um, but I do think just like even on like a simpler level, in terms of like the opportunity to like meet someone new who might become a supporter, yeah, or like just a a a decent friend in the music space. Yeah, you know, because I'm might feel too introverted at that moment. I might not say anything, and then like they might be the coolest person on the planet, and we might actually get along.

SPEAKER_02: 33:24

But I've never repeat that again to the camera over there.

SPEAKER_01: 33:27

Um, I think that's a really good point. I thought our audience needs to hear that because I think that stops a lot of folks from momentum.

SPEAKER_03: 33:33

It's extremely easy to sit in your fear or your introversion or whatever it is, but like I mean, you only miss the amount of shots you don't take. You know? Like it's uh imagine if like the the woman that like needed the healing was too afraid to try and touch Jesus' robe.

SPEAKER_02: 33:51

You're right.

SPEAKER_03: 33:52

She'd still be out here stuck.

SPEAKER_02: 33:53

Say exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 33:56

It's that simple. To this day, you know. But no, I think it's important to like it's it's easier said than done at times, but like try not to let your fear you know cripple you.

SPEAKER_01: 34:08

Speaking of transformation, um, you do have a clothing, a clothing line, butterfly effect apparel. Could you speak a little bit on that?

SPEAKER_03: 34:15

And uh see that. Here we go. Um that was just an idea that started because I was like, it seems like such a cool idea to have a clothing line. Like it just the idea sounds cool.

SPEAKER_01: 34:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 34:31

Um but then I also like I I don't remember the last time I went shopping and I need to go shopping desperately. I if I'm being honest, I need to I need to update my my uh my wardrobe for real, for real.

SPEAKER_01: 34:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 34:44

Um but I'm just tired of going to these stores and like seeing all the same stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 34:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 34:49

Like I'm at like I don't even I don't know. Like I love what Tyler the Creator is doing um as far as just like clothing and aesthetic and that sort of thing. Cause like he's just obviously he's got the resources, but he also he just had to try and stuff. Yeah. Like he literally sat down with the people at Converse and was like, all right, let's try something different. Show me everything that y'all freaking released prior to 1980. And like I think they went back and found a bunch of stuff from like, you know, the 70s to like 85 or something like that. And he brought back, I think like four or five different like silhouettes and just like revamped them with his flare on them. And they are some of the like cleanest looking shoes. They cost like a hundred to a hundred and twenty dollars. He just put out a he just did a new pair, he's doing like a pair of boots through Converse right now. And they're like 150. Them joints are so fly, I want some so bad. What? But like it's just cool to see him taking chances in Converse, it's just like, okay, yeah. Yeah, why not? You know, because like his track record has been pretty solid. I think they had one pair that didn't like test well, yeah. And now like everyone's like, dang it, where's that shoe? I can't find it. He was like, Y'all fools didn't appreciate it. Yeah, missed the boat. So, but like they they understand like there is risk and there's reward, there's you know, it's trial and error. That one shoe didn't work, everything else he's done has worked. Dang, you know, and so I think there's just something cool about like being able to like put your creativity into a different lane, especially when you have the creativity to like make music and whatnot, if you can channel that into like a different medium, I think that's really dope. And I'm tired of like I said, I'm just tired of seeing the same old stuff everywhere. So I wanted to try and see if I could, you know, make my own version of that. Um and butterfly effect became a thing. Why did you why did you choose butterfly as your um I was working a job that I hated and uh Is it okay to ask what the job is? Uh yeah, it was uh I was working at a it was a company, uh I don't know if I can say anything. You don't say the name, like not because I'm afraid to, because like I'm gonna get like uh lash back. I just don't know, I don't want nobody getting sued uh if I like, you know, because like I I did not.

SPEAKER_01: 37:18

Are you about to say anything defamatory?

SPEAKER_03: 37:20

Nothing uh, you know, like defamatory, just the truth. Like management was terrible, the the working conditions were trash. I'm outside in freaking like 15 degree weather working equipment, like it was horrible. Uh but it was a warehouse type of situation. Okay. Um and uh I remember one day I was like out on the back dock, bless you, buddy, um, freaking just you know, doing like working this testing rack that I had to deal with. And there was uh a butterfly that like had drifted by and it got stuck in this like puddle of oil. Um and I like tried my best to like scoop it out and like get it, you know, away without touching its wings, because once you touch a butterfly's wings, like it's done. It's a rat.

SPEAKER_04: 38:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 38:03

Um and so I tried my best to do that, but I think it got too, it got too soaked, so it was sort of like it was still hanging on, but it couldn't really fly no more.

SPEAKER_04: 38:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 38:13

Um, but after that, I just like for whatever reason just like took a sudden interest in butterflies. I started seeing them everywhere, and I was like, all right, I'm seeing them all the time, and I can't like stop noticing them. So like, what's this mean? And it basically the the butterfly symbolizes uh transformation, um, evolution, um almost sort of like akin to like the the the phoenix sort of thing. Yeah. Um but the cool thing about the interesting thing about butterflies is their lifespan is only like a month. That's correct. Like on average, they live like a month, maybe two megs. And I just started thinking about it. I was like, yo, that's not a long time to live. Like that's the that's the short amount of time you got, like, you really gotta make the most of it. Yeah. And uh so I sort of like landed there initially. And then um, the more I thought about it, it was like I started looking to the butterfly effect and the understanding that like, you know, it's a I think it's like an old, I don't know if it's like a Japanese proverb or what, but just the idea of like a butterfly flaps its wings, you know, somewhere in like Toronto and then causes like a hurricane or a tsunami somewhere over in like Tokyo. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 39:23

Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 39:24

I've been telling myself to rewatch it because I ain't seen it in a high minute. Um, but yeah, I was I got there and then from there it was sort of like, okay. So the idea is basically like everything that you do affects everything else, whether you realize it or not. And so I was like, if that's the case, especially like believing what I believe and understanding what I understand, that means that I have to be very much more intentional about what I do, what I say, how I act, how I treat people, and that sort of thing. Because every little thing that I do somehow affects everybody else, whether or not I realize it. And that's how Butterfly Effect came to be. And so the point of the Butterfly Effect brand is to basically encourage people through clothing to just be kind to whoever you encounter and be aware of your actions. Um and the the overarching theme is really just to know love and be yourself because if you can know love and be yourself, you'll probably more than likely, you know, be kind and loving to you know someone else. True tall. And the best way to know and love yourself is to know who God is, because he's the one that created you. So once you can know him, you can know yourself, and then you can understand, like, oh, that person's a human too. Let me not treat them like trash. You go on point. You know? Yep, that's very on point. Very long answer. No, I agree with that statement.

SPEAKER_01: 40:48

No, that's exactly what I just wanted to understand that in full, just to make sure I was um tracking with you. But with with you saying that, do you think that it's that it puts a heavy burden on a person to understand that your actions really do affect because I know when we first started um the discussion of that interview, you were talking about how when you got married and when you had children, you had that that feeling come about. Hey. Stop playing with. That's it. That's it. That's real.

SPEAKER_03: 41:15

Um, I mean, it can be a b burden if you decide that's what it is. I think that it's just like natural. I mean, I think it's responsibility has to be had somewhere. Like, you have to take responsibility somewhere. Um, and especially like as a as a man, like, but I understand the allure of like wanting to be chased and wanting to be valued as a man. Like, I definitely I definitely get that. Like you want to be valued for sure. Yeah. Um, but the idea of like, you know, men being like, I'm the prize. Like, well, on a certain level, you can be. But let's be honest, you're still gonna have to do some work. Yeah, exactly. It's a lot of men out here that want to be the prize that like got a lot of work to do.

SPEAKER_02: 42:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 42:07

You know what I'm saying? Like, they still covered in mud, not from any work that they've done. You know what I'm saying? Um, so I think it's it it can be a burden if you choose for it to be that. But I really think it's more than anything, it's a it's a I don't want to say rite of passage, because that sounds too uh worldly and wrongly idyllic. But it's it's really a it's a blessing because it's like, wow, you understand like these people's lives and their souls are in my hands. I've been entrusted to like take care of these people.

SPEAKER_02: 42:40

Like clearly you thought enough of me to give me a blessing.

SPEAKER_03: 42:46

Because here's the thing, I think the thing that a lot of times that we miss is like God sees so much more in us than we can see in ourselves. And that's why like the phrase that like God will never give us more than we can handle is such a joke. Because it's like He is going to give us more than we can handle. Oh, yeah. What He wants us to do is understand that like if we put our hope and our faith in Him, if we put our if we rely on His strength, He will give us the strength to conquer whatever it is that we face. We just have to be willing to acknowledge, like, hey, I'm feeling some weakness. If we are too proud or too prideful to acknowledge that I'm feeling some weakness, that's when we end up stuck.

SPEAKER_02: 43:26

Keep preaching. So I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_03: 43:28

This is the truth. I like that. Anytime that I found myself just like, uh I'm struggling, like the worst that I've ever struggled, it's because I was trying to do it all on my own, like by myself.

SPEAKER_02: 43:38

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03: 43:38

And like what I think, you see me. I'm like five, nine, 140 pounds, I think. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm gonna do it. I need some help. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to bulk up, but like food don't sell.

SPEAKER_02: 43:53

It's uh it's weight gainer. Oh, freaking, I can't remember what it's called, but I know.

SPEAKER_03: 43:58

It works. It works. I'm sure it does, but I'm terrified because I don't want to get fat and either. I'm like terrified of getting fat. I ain't gonna lie to you. That's one of my biggest fears. Like I said it in one of my songs. Like my biggest fears is getting fat and wasting time.

SPEAKER_04: 44:11

That's the truth.

SPEAKER_03: 44:12

It really is. Respectfully. Respectfully, respectfully, respectfully, respectfully. I just my knees can't afford it. Yo, pal, I'm gonna orthopedic office that hit me right in the heart.

SPEAKER_01: 44:23

I know exactly. Yo, BMI matters. Um, yeah, yeah. Um good gracious.

SPEAKER_02: 44:30

No, I agree with you. I agree with you totally, yeah, totally, totally. Um, on a lighter note, can you explain to our audience?

SPEAKER_01: 44:39

Because I know I know a lot of they listen um to what we produce because they want to hear things about different areas that they're um uh influenced and or influenced to being in or that they aspire to being in. And one thing I know it's very hard to be an independent artist. You've been an independent artist for for a while, and could you talk about what are some of the most significant challenges that you have encountered as an independent artist?

SPEAKER_03: 45:07

If I'm being honest, most of them just do due to resources. See, resources the majority of the challenges that you're gonna face as an independent artist is resources, whether that be monetary, whether that be uh in terms of you know, just like knowing the right people, having access to certain people, um, or certain amenities, like I feel like I'm where I'm at right now, on one hand, like on the upside, because of certain people that I've met along the way and have you know had the blessing to be able to like you know interact with in a certain way to where they were able to say my name in certain rooms and I was able to get in those rooms, or you know, happen to wind up being afforded certain opportunities because someone happened to mention my name when I wasn't there, that sort of thing. Um like shout out to Pat X. I've learned a lot from him. Like at this point, anytime you see me do anything, just know I'm just I'm copying Pat X's blueprint, riding his coattails, there, you know, like just see where no, but like I that man is such a wealth of knowledge. Yeah, he is. Like he is one of the genuinely one of if not the best artists from the Carolinas and he's doing like some of the coolest stuff, and like like the whole album, the album that he released this year, yeah, doing it like where you scan a freaking like mini CD. That was genius. Like he did that, yeah, and then it like blew up because uh chance the rapper was like, Oh, look, you can just scan my physical actual CD, and it's like Chance didn't do it first. Love you, Chance. You didn't do it first. It was Pat, and Pat did it cooler, yeah, you know? Yeah, so but that man is a wealth of knowledge, and I'm grateful to know him. But just like people like him, like you know, people like uh shout out to Cree Wisdom. Like she's the reason why I ended up being put on uh at the fair in 2023. Awesome. Um, she happened to say my name in the right room. It was like literally that simple. But like, so on the one hand, there's that. Um that's that's been a really cool thing. But then also, I feel like I'm where I am right now because of my lack of uh, I don't like the word lack, but just because of the fact that I don't I haven't been able to connect with certain people or get to certain places uh due to just the fact that I don't have the resources, I don't have the money to like travel like that. I haven't uh been able to get out of state enough to like put myself out there and promote myself in uh a bunch of different places outside of South Carolina. Um and a lot of that, the other thing is this, a lot of that is really like on me. It's up to me. Yeah. Like I have to be willing to like take the proverbial L of like just you know, running low on cash, you know, running low on cash for gas or whatever it is, just to get out of town simply to like say hello to somebody or to like put up a you know, put some stickers somewhere or whatever. You know, like it's it's a lot of it is there's just a lot of footwork required by the artists. If you're an independent, like there's a lot that you have to do. Talk about it. No one else is gonna do it for you. And so I'm trying to navigate that, especially like being married and having children. Like when you get a family, like it's not that simple. Like, oh, I'm gonna dip out and go, you know, two states over for the weekend, so I can like you know, like I'm not Matthew McConaughey. I can't afford to like take a 15-day sabbatical on my own. Yeah, you know, yeah, like that'd be nice, but like that's that's not how that works. You know what I'm saying? We're not we're not there. Exactly. You know, like so. But yeah, it's a lot of work that you have to do uh of your own accord, that you have to be willing to do whether you're gonna get paid for it or not. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about that, because let's be honest, artists need to be paid. There's a lot, there's a certain amount of work though that you will have to do to show like that you have something of value to offer. Like you unfortunately, you do have to prove that on some level. Um and I mean, just like you know, uh there's a uh the the the guest that y'all had before, yeah, saying, you know, like you have to be like do something that you be willing to do even if you didn't get paid for it. That's it. If you don't love music like that, if you're not finna do it, get out, but just for the love of it, like I'm sorry, you chose the wrong bag.

SPEAKER_04: 49:38

You know? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03: 49:39

Like there's plenty of people, there's too many people, more than enough people involved in this right now, doing this solely for the bag.

SPEAKER_04: 49:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 49:44

If you're doing this solely for the bag, like kudos to you for getting it, but like, get out the way. Like, please get out the way. There's there's so much trash. Yeah. Just like, I'm sorry. There's so much music that is lacking in substance right now.

SPEAKER_01: 50:00

You know what that's called? Trash. Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's lacking in substance. And I I want to ask this question of you because you are a musician and an artist. I know it's probably our last question. I won't hold you on. AI in music. Bless you, buddy. Bless you. AI in music. What is your opinion on it?

SPEAKER_03: 50:24

I saw an Instagram post yesterday with this guy who is a musician or artist of some sort. I don't know who the person is. It was just like some screenshots. But he was basically like, let me break down what's actually happening in AI and what's not happening in AI for the people who are really overly concerned about it and that sort of thing. And like started reading like all these different points he was making. And the way he like prefaced all these statements was as if he was about to say something profound about how like you know, artists need to quit hating and like not be worried about AI like that because it's not as simple as people make you think. It's not simply just, you know, you type some prompts in and out comes a whole song. Um, which like I get that. What I also understand is that doesn't change the fact of what's happening. Like, am I worried that AI is gonna take my job? No.

SPEAKER_04: 51:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 51:19

I'm not like it it can take my day job.

SPEAKER_01: 51:22

I'd like that.

SPEAKER_03: 51:24

I'm sure it's it's coming for a lot of day jobs. Like, I get that. Is it taking my job as an artist? No. Because and I remember Pharrell saying it, like, there's something that AI can't do, and that's produced from the soul. It can it doesn't have a soul. There's uh a Christian artist named Forrest Frank. He was talking about how like the one of the n I think it was like recently the number one uh Christian or praise and worship album was fully AI produced or something like that. Shut the front door. Yeah. And uh he was like, I highly recommend that you don't listen to it because there's no soul there. Yeah, how are you like, you know, praising God through something that has no soul? Yeah, I personally believe that you know just about anything is redeemable. I mean, God is God, but like at the same time, like that does seem weird. Where are these weird where are these words coming from? But the other thing is, like, it AI can't do what it does without being prompted by a human.

SPEAKER_04: 52:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 52:24

Now, granted, they're after a certain point, like it can take over. Yeah, you know, but I mean, anyway, I I'm not worried about it taking my job because it doesn't have a soul. There's certain things that it can do, but there's certain things that it just can't do. It's never gonna give you the feeling that T Pain gave you. It's never gonna give you the feeling that freaking Teddy Pendergrass gave you, it's not gonna give you the feeling that Pharrell gave you. You know, it's not making the clips album. It's not AI is not making listen, what yeah, the birds don't sing, AI didn't do it. Nah, I ain't doing that. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I'm not necessarily concerned that much, but I do think that it's not helpful. I believe it's very unhelpful. Uh like if the art if an artist decides I'm going to use AI to like add some backing vocals that don't sound like my vocals, yeah, yeah. That's one thing. That's a tool. They wrote the lyrics, they it's a tool. Yeah. When it's used by artists as a tool to help further their craft in a way that's not cringy or just you know plagiaristic. Yeah, sweet.

SPEAKER_01: 53:35

That's that's I'm cool with that.

SPEAKER_03: 53:37

Yeah. When you decide as a producer, I'm gonna create this virtual artist, this entity. That's what I'm gonna start calling, yes, this entity, and like throw in my little prompts and do this, that, and the third, and be like, boom, check out this entity that I just signed and check out how it's rabbin'. And it's like, man, that sounds an awful lot like a mix of like doja cat and doji with no life.

SPEAKER_02: 54:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 54:07

It's strange, yeah, you know. So yeah, I I think that AI is when used honestly by artists as a tool, cool. Yeah. As far as it being as far as AI artists being a thing, I'm not really with it, but you know, people going people.

SPEAKER_00: 54:28

Yeah. And go ahead. So with that said, I know we definitely I know we gotta grab up. Um if anyone's interested in learning more about, of course, about your music and of course um any other things that you're into, how would they go about doing that?

SPEAKER_03: 54:43

Um pretty much everywhere. J B S A M S O N. J B Samson. It's J B S A M S O N. There is no P. I've amount of times that I've seen, and that's not like a shot at anybody, it's just like it it's happened a lot. Oh, I can see that though. Yeah, it's it's a lot of I I've gotten that quite a bit. So just for clarity, it's S-A-M-S-O-N everywhere. J B S A M S O N.

SPEAKER_01: 55:09

So they'd be able to book you through there, whatever.

SPEAKER_03: 55:12

Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, my booking email is actually on my Instagram. If you want the booking email, uh, you can either reach me directly at uh bookjbsamson24 at gmail.com or reach out to my manager homie Quasi a Black Nerd Mafia. Yeah. Uh dang, what's his email? I'm linking on with his email. I think it's uh info at blacknerd.com or something like that, but don't quote me. But that should also be on my Instagram as well. Yeah, so yeah. Shout out to Quasi.

SPEAKER_01: 55:46

Right on the money. Well, I know we don't want to run any more time. I appreciate you. I talked about that. No, no, no, no. You're fine because we were running a little bit behind. Pardon me. Um DJing what? Yep. And our esteemed guest, JB Sampson. We thank you so much for joining us on the Hilltop Glove podcast. As we always like to tell folks, please tell somebody next to them that you love them and you appreciate them. And until next time, peace.